[She shakes her head at that, about to surrender - and then decides to use one last tactic.]

Look. I'm not some child who still thinks that the world exists in good and bad. But Saul, that kid is...He's bad. I know you're defense and you're paid not to give a shit about this sort of thing, but you say this goes beyond just the profession, and so this is on the level of being a person. He's bad. He uses these excuses of damage to justify himself, but it just comes down to this. That he sees no demerit in hurting those around him to get what he wants.